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From: Mark Grant <Mark.Grant@isltd.insignia.com>
Date: Thu, 19 May 94 18:03:11 BST
Subject: Re: clarifiction on teh fundingdiscussions
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quoting Sameer <sameer@soda.berkeley.edu> :
I agree with pretty much everything that Sameer has said, and Adam's
comments should have demonstrated the practical problems with
'subsidies' from government, but I just wanted to add a small
supporting rant of my own 8-)...
> I'm all for stopping
> government subsidies, but a government subsidy of a
> school/library/whatever is almost as bad as a subsidy for a big
> business.. it's control of money from a large buearacracy that doesn't
> understand.
To me, this is one of the main issues. I was under the impression that
one of the intentions of the Nexus group was to provide net access to
the local community, and to help to 'recreate' the local communities as
communities. How can people expect to have any local 'community
feeling' if every time they get into trouble they just go and ask for
money from the national government ?
The Internet is currently just bursting with ideas for simple,
decentralised net.business, whether as digital banks, digital casinos,
remailers, data havens, IP redirectors, software distribution,
net.book.stores, net.zines, newsgroup moderation, 'clipping' services,
or whatever. IMHO if you can't find a way to fund a connection to your
local community wherever it may be, then either you're stuck somewhere
where the laws the government has made are preventing you from running
these services, or you're suffering from a lack of imagination (or
start-up funding). If it's the former, then you'd do better to be
campaigning for the repeal of the laws than campaigning for money from
the government.
One of the great things about the networks is that you no longer have
to be in an urban area to run a business. Rural communities today are
generally poor because there's little scope making money there, but
once you have a net link you can make a living anywhere on the planet
(or, indeed, in low orbit).
> Energies should not be spent redirecting government money
> from corporations to smaller enterprises (which will do very little
> good, if any at all), rather spent on eliminating the need for
> government entirely.
And remember, it was the threat of withdrawal of federal funding to
state governments for highways that resulted in nationwide 55 mph speed
limits. If you have a subsidised connection, what will you do if the
government suddenly decides that they're going to pull funding for
communities that don't ban encryption, remailers, un-tessera-signed
packets, etc on their network ? The people who pay for the link are the
ones who control it - do you want your community to control it, or do
you want the government to control it ?
> The money that the govt. is giving away comes from
> somewhere... It comes from the people who could've been doing it
> themselves much more efficiently.
Not only that, but it 'costs' far more if it comes from the government,
since it has to pay for the bureaucracy it goes through. A while back I
was reading an article about US government farm subsidies, and (using
figures from a few years ago, I forget the exact year) they estimated
that the government collected about $ 40 billion in taxes from the
farmers, paid them about $ 40 billion in subsidies, and had to
'collect' $ 80 billion to do that (including costs of tax enforcement,
cost of subsidy bureaucracy, etc).... In other words, up to $ 40
billion could have been saved by not taxing the farmers in the first
place.
(Note this is not intended to be a flame against the US government in
particular, I'm sure most of them do exactly the same, I've just never
seen the figures for them).
Mark
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